In verse 5:8 it says "since we belong to the day..." What exactly does this mean?
And further, it says "...let us be sober..." does this mean sober as in not drunk, or does it mean let us get serious, as in sober of thought?
Pastor Dave in BC Canada
"We belong to the day" is a reference to 5:2, that is the day when Christ will return. I see it as a hopeful affirmation that we already have been saved. The caution then lies in the idea that we must not get lazy.
If I recall the background of 1 Thessalonians correctly, it was writen to a group of people in tourmoil over exactly when Christ would return. They were agitated that he had not already come. The letter was to assure them that Jesus would return, and remind them to keep up a strong, vital faith.
As for the Sobriety question, I tend to lead toward metaphore on this one. Although this could be used and easily intrepreted as a anti-drinking passage, I think that neglects the overall message of the text. Paul was not writing about alcohol abuse. He was writing about being ready for the moment when Christ would return. The image of a drunk is a good metaphore of one who is not ready for anything. I tend to understand "sober" as "alert" or "fully aware."
Sobriety needs to be compared with sleeping and waking.
If Paul literally means that one must never take a drink of alcohol, wouldn't that also mean that he expects one to never fall asleep?
"5:6 So then let us not fall asleep as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober."
Using this text to preach alcohol abuse may be text abuse.
DWR
Date: 03 Nov 1999
Time: 10:05:29
5:3 is a key (but not the only) point in this passage. We cannot point to something and say, "There is peace and security." The only peace and security is with Jesus.
Last year our small congregation received an unexpected gift which resulted in a large endowment of money. The temptation will be there to rely on this endowment for financial needs, and to reduce pledging. We have to be on our guard against that.
Jay in Alabama
Date: 04 Nov 1999
Time: 22:04:20
Another look at "drunk" and "sober."
I am teaching Revelation and while studying chapter 17, I thought of this discussion.
John describes "the great whore" and "bablyon" (aka Rome) as being "drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the witnesses to Jesus Christ." 17:1,2 & 6.
An intrepretation of this assumes that that intoxication was due to Rome's power, arrogance, and ability to absolutely controll everything it touched. The prophetic word of the time, then, would be that Rome (the great whore) was so drunk on her own arrogant pride, she would be destroyed by God.
1 Thess 5:1-11 also is also eschatological in nature. It may be streching the text to assume the same meaning of sobriety, but there could also be a legimite link here.
The caution for modern readers, according to this intrepration, would be for us to look closely at what we are "drunk" on in the western world. Power, politics, Gross National Product, the Stock Market, our military ability, .... the list goes on. Are we too caught up in our own selves that we will fail to see Christ?
Just wanted to add that little tidbit while it was fresh in my mind. Now back to my study.
DWR
Date: 09 Nov 1999
Time: 00:55:16
I am one who likes to see the connections and links in the lectionary lessons. There are two that I see connecting the Old Testament, Gospel, and Epistle lessons: 1) The first is the concept of a day of reckoning. The Israelites again did what was evil, so . . .A man entrusted his property to others, left, after a long while returned, then . . . On the day of the Lord He will return like a thief in the night, then . . .In all three passages, there comes a time of reckoning. The second theme that I see running through all three is encouragement. Deborah encourages Barak, Paul encourages the Thessalonians 4:18 and 5:11. In the Gospel, we are encouraged to work until Christ returns. I find it fascinating that passages that call us to accountability are also passages that speak of encouragement. PK in Ohio
Date: 09 Nov 1999
Time: 08:12:01
I think "belong(ing) to the day" is quite simply understood in light of vv. 6-7. Both drunkards and sleepers have this one thing in common - they are unaware, respectively, because the drunkards let a substance into themselves which impairs good judgment, and the sleepers are, well - asleep! "Children of the day" then, are those who, by faith, have sharp discernment, unimpaired by earthly distractions, and remain awake to God's leading and the eternal hope that THIS may be the day! Ken in WV
Date: 09 Nov 1999
Time: 19:14:04
What strikes me about this text is the way it brings an eschatological hope for the future back into the present. We don't just live with some vague hope that God will at some point say "enough is enough" and bring history to a close. We have confidence that God's future is already breaking into the present. Therefore, we don't just wait eagerly for the future - we shape our lives in the present according to what Christ has shown us the future will be. So, let's keep encouraging one another!
Chris in NC
Date: 11 Nov 1999
Time: 16:40:15
Pastor Dave in BC The NIV translation does not use "sober" but "self-controlled" Does that help? RevWWM in QC